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hi out there
i am looking for some words of wisdom from any therapists and counsellors out there on the relationship between using Gendlin's focusing and doing a client assessment
I am currently torn because as I learn about being a counsellor I come to understand that it seems to be a general principle that people's current problems in interpersonal relationships are a patterned problem that has a history. I call it my belief in unfinished business, incomplete experiences of the past that are relived in our current relationships. Call it projection, call it what you will.
The reason I am torn is because while I recognize that value of doing this sort of assessment, I also feel hesitant in doing assessments, hesitant because they seem to put me into a detective mode rather than allowing and trusting the clients self-healing process to naturally occur.
I am wondering if any therapists out there play around with the focusing approach, say once the client finds a 'handle' for their present felt sense, and IF the client connects it to a current relationship in their life, then maybe exploring this to find out if there are any people or events from a person's past that this felt sense seems strongly connected to. Or maybe you have another way of doing something like this.
Anything you can offer is a gift towards my development as a body-centered therapist trusting in the human self-healing process, while conducting deep and thorough transformative work
in love, gratitude, and play,
Brad Saunders
i am looking for some words of wisdom from any therapists and counsellors out there on the relationship between using Gendlin's focusing and doing a client assessment
I am currently torn because as I learn about being a counsellor I come to understand that it seems to be a general principle that people's current problems in interpersonal relationships are a patterned problem that has a history. I call it my belief in unfinished business, incomplete experiences of the past that are relived in our current relationships. Call it projection, call it what you will.
The reason I am torn is because while I recognize that value of doing this sort of assessment, I also feel hesitant in doing assessments, hesitant because they seem to put me into a detective mode rather than allowing and trusting the clients self-healing process to naturally occur.
I am wondering if any therapists out there play around with the focusing approach, say once the client finds a 'handle' for their present felt sense, and IF the client connects it to a current relationship in their life, then maybe exploring this to find out if there are any people or events from a person's past that this felt sense seems strongly connected to. Or maybe you have another way of doing something like this.
Anything you can offer is a gift towards my development as a body-centered therapist trusting in the human self-healing process, while conducting deep and thorough transformative work
in love, gratitude, and play,
Brad Saunders
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Re: focusing and assessment in therapy
Thu, January 11, 2007 - 5:29 PMhmmm, its been a while since ive read Gendlin, but i liked him, and it seems like lots of the work of noticing what and how we feal, learning to put words to experience, and then you seem to be asking about the linkages of emotions as they have risen out of the matrix of experience.... and learning to make those links conscious as well. and that's all great, imo, whether you take focusing as a template, or as one source of information and technique among many. thats my first thought.
next thought: seems to me, that anything we say in the room provides direction, whether subtly or overtly, that words collapse the potential of where people go in their minds into a single point, give it direction. and, our bodies also communicate, so our experience helps to shape client experience, and vis versa. its two subjectivities in the room co-creating a moment. we are the insturment we use in the room. hopefully we're clean insturments, that we notice what gets touched in us and work what is asked in our personal psychologies, so that we can be present for the client in their process, in the way they need it. why am i saying this. because assessment is really important, and to assure its not our own pathos that puts a spin on the assessment of clients, well, you get the point.
i think we're always "reading" our clients and they are always reading us. probably more than we realize.
so why is detective work bad?
seems to be part of our job is to be able to hear into psychodynamics in ways that clients don't know how to. they feel them, yes, but dont have a way of making meaning or changing unconscious patternings of behavior, which in some opinions, it seems yours and mine included, includes affect as the basis of behavior and social conditioning, giving rise to the patternings of the self, something like that.
so we need to be able to see and think about those patternings, and our capacity to have our fealings, a literacy in emotions, including naming, and a capacity to think about the dynamics of psyche are what we get paid for.
working my way slowly to assessment. seems to me that our job is to notice, and to reflect that back in digestible bits to our clients. while clients may be narrating expereince at one level, we are listening at many. that listening at many is the assessment process. it is detective work, but that doesnt mean its bad or violating or dehumanizing. it means we are taking the time to think about this unique individual in the room, to feel what its like to be with them, to notice what is occuring, and to create hypotheses, as moments unfold, are these hypothesises validated or modified? and so we progress, often not knowing, that is part of the art, tolerating anxiety, and doing our best, bringing our skills to the question at hand, which is the capacity of a person to tolerate and honor the unique nature of their beingness....
i dont think there is a complete scentance, nor one that isnt a run on in that whole hubabalu of words there, but perhaps there is something in there that rings a bell and furthers the discussion you are pursuing.
and, when folks are in a potent affective state, i often just ask, do you know this place, is this familiar, what can you tell me about it, and 9 of 10 times, we're in childhood..... goes right there.
are you working with people right now, or still in school and not yet in training?
peace.
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Re: focusing and assessment in therapy
Thu, January 11, 2007 - 6:20 PM"I come to understand that it seems to be a general principle that people's current problems in interpersonal relationships are a patterned problem that has a history. I call it my belief in unfinished business, incomplete experiences of the past that are relived in our current relationships. Call it projection, call it what you will."
Brad you've pretty much stated my philosophy that I discovered from a "pathworking" process of CG Jung. Some call this "Soul Retrieval" as it reintegrates the conscious self and identity with the previously detached emotions, memories, ideas and desires that were surpressed in a state of self defense.
Be I really liked what you said. I too, almost always go back to childhood. It seems it is harder for people to accept the choices made in response to "stimuli" than it is to handle the idea and feelings of the experience it'self. Through a process of accepting past choices, ideas and beliefs can be reshaped, emotions can be felt and transformed into "current" emotion. -
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Re: focusing and assessment in therapy
Mon, January 15, 2007 - 10:01 AMone of the things touched for me in Brad's original post and echo'ed in Frank's is a question of how emotions are experienced, and to what extent are they not experienced.... which seems an important discernment in the assessment process. intellectualization for instance, is an excellent defense against emotional experience, one which we probably all know very well. so seems to me, in psychotherapy anyway, that allowing people the time and space to learn to tolerate emotions is an essential first and often lengthy step that in itself is transformative, but comes prior to any attempt to transform, as the desire to transform is a defense against experiencing emotional states .... -
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Re: focusing and assessment in therapy
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 3:03 PMwow, much gratitude for your responses
this conversation seems like its shifting things in me, deepening my understanding and map in approaching this work
particularly helpful was be's last comments of tolerance of being with an emotional experience, and resisting the intellectual understanding urge at least momentarily as a suspect defence, at least in this moment. Hmmm, the new experience of just sitting with what is painful/uncomfortable/awkward/whatever...
And then, later on, if I feel called to opening this up but in a very open non-content directive way. Does this felt-sense seem familiar to you? And allowing whatever comes up to come up, allowing the client's internal wisdom to guide from here
mmmm
lots to digest from this
many thanks,
Brad
PS - I am new to working as a counsellor, and am unfortunately not getting any opportunity to engage in focusing work right now (I am mainly working with students at a college around their education and career problems and inspirations). However, I am wanting to use more focusing work on myself, especially in the ways that I get stuck. To learn patient with myself and my processes, and allow the embodied wisdom to guide me and tell me what it has to say.
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